14:02:17 From Eylsia Moore : Welcome everyone! 14:02:23 From Eylsia Moore : How are you all today! 14:02:36 From Eylsia Moore : It's great to have you all joining us this afternoon 14:02:58 From Eylsia Moore : We are just waiting got you to all get in to the room before we start the session 14:03:02 From Eylsia Moore : *for 14:03:45 From Eylsia Moore : Welcome everyone, it is great t have so many of you with us today. 14:03:57 From Eylsia Moore : It's great to see so many of you from all over the world! 14:04:17 From Eylsia Moore : Do let us know where you are joining us from today, it's always interesting to know who's here :) 14:04:25 From Michael Donoghue To All Panelists : Hi All! Mike. Nottingham. 14:04:39 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Mike, great to have you here! 14:04:41 From Suzy Somerville To All Panelists : Hello from the Peak District! 14:04:59 From Sam Garner-Gibbons To All Panelists : Hi emma, Sam here from Chichester Festival theatre down on the south coast 14:04:59 From Sebastian Barnes : Hi, Sebastian, freelance technician from Birmingham. 14:05:00 From David Evans To All Panelists : Hello Suzy 14:05:02 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Suzy, welcome. How is the weather with you today? 14:05:17 From Richard Delight : Hello, Richard from RoyalExchange Manchester 14:05:22 From Suzy Somerville : Hi Elysia - wet and windy! 14:05:23 From Fernando Daubler To All Panelists : Hello. I´m Fernando from Madrid 14:05:27 From Gill McLeod : Gill McLeod, costume tutor at Royal Conservatoire of Scotland 14:05:33 From Jim Davis To All Panelists : Jim Davis, Production Manager at Theatr Clwyd, North Wales 14:05:35 From Lewis Murray To All Panelists : Hi all, a first timer to the ABTT Show, very much enjoying these calls. Lewis here, a freelance technician based in Belfast 14:05:35 From Jeff H. : New York live sound production monitor engineer here 14:05:36 From abigail mcmillan To All Panelists : Hello Abby Here from Scottish Drama Training Network in Glasgow, Scotland. 14:05:38 From Eylsia Moore : Hello everyone, great to have so many of you here! 14:05:40 From Cat To All Panelists : Hi Cat, Production Manager from West Kowloon Cultural District in Hong Kong 14:05:43 From Cathal Magee To All Panelists : Hi, Cathal Magee from Island Arts Centre, Lisburn, NI. 14:05:51 From Jack Dale-Dowd : Hello, Jack from Contact Manchester 14:05:55 From Tom Lilly : Greetings from a wet and windy Exeter. 14:06:03 From Nick Rogerson To All Panelists : Nick Rogerson - lecturer at Newcastle College University Centre. Hello! 14:06:04 From Eylsia Moore : If you do have a questions during the session, please do pop this in to the Q&A section for our panelists 14:06:06 From Mandy Ivory-Castile To All Panelists : Mandy Ivory-Castile - Head of Production at Sherman Theatre in Cardiff 14:06:07 From Emma Davis To All Panelists : Hi Elysia, in Sussex, sunny and wet…lots of rainbows 14:06:07 From Judith Cloke : Hello, Jude from Leeds Playhouse 14:06:09 From Kate Margretts : Hello everyone! Kate Margretts from English National Opera 14:06:12 From Michael Peter Ager To All Panelists : Mike Ager, Deputy PM at the National Theatre here! Joining from London. 14:06:15 From Chris Hay To All Panelists : Chris Hay, freelance production manager, London. Hello everyone! 14:06:17 From John W : How many people do we have in the webinar, sounds like a great number! 14:06:22 From jess curtis : Hi, I am Jess Curtis, freelance theatre designer from North London 14:06:25 From Eli Banfield To All Panelists : Hi. I'm Eli a Graduate Student from Guildhall School of Music and Drama- I've been pushing to change the way we work at Guildhall to work more responsibly and sustainably 14:06:25 From Richard Owen : hi all, Richard from Fuel theatre 14:06:29 From kelly voysey : Hi Kelly, Marketing Manager at Broadweigh, Manufacturer, Exeter 14:06:49 From Eylsia Moore : For people just joining us, we will be using this chat function today to discuss between ourselves and it is great to hear from you all! 14:06:53 From David Evans To All Panelists : Hello Kelly 14:07:06 From Eylsia Moore : But please do use the Q&A function for questions for our amazing panelists 14:07:47 From Gillian Affleck : Hi, Gillian here from Royal Conservatoire of Scotland, Costume Dept. 14:07:55 From Andreas Ayling To All Panelists : Good afternoon all, Andreas Ayling, Technical Director for Troubadour Theatres and freelance PM 14:07:58 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Eli! great to have some students hear with us today for this interesting and important topic! 14:08:02 From Rhonda To All Panelists : Hi, Rhonda, Props and Costume Stores Manager at the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland 14:08:20 From Richmond Rudd : Richmond from Watford Palace here. hope everyone is well 14:08:34 From Eylsia Moore : Hello Gillian and Rhonda from the RCS - fantastic to have you with us today! 14:09:06 From Eylsia Moore : You can find out more about Jeremy Lent here: https://www.jeremylent.com/the-patterning-instinct.html 14:10:14 From Clíona Ni Mhochain To All Panelists : Hello, Clíona - ROH & freelance PM here (based in London) 14:11:13 From Jess Nicholls : Hi, Jess here ATG apprentice 14:11:33 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Cliona, great to have you with again today! Hope you are enjoying the seminars so far! 14:11:46 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Jess, welcome! 14:12:50 From jessica harwood : Hi. Jess for Theatre Royal Stratford East. Thanks for organising this. 14:13:10 From Grahame Coyle To All Panelists : Hi, Grahame here from Dundee Rep & Scottish Dance Theatre, loving these webinars, thanks ABTT, Mig and Eylsia. 14:13:39 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Jess and Grahame, thank you for the kind words! 14:13:58 From Hilary Williamson : Hello, Hilary for Hampstead Theatre, thanks for this and all the seminars so far 14:14:44 From Philip Hamilton To All Panelists : Hi Phil From East 15 acting School 14:14:48 From Eylsia Moore : If anyone has any thoughts on Jeremy's talk please do pop them in the chat function as we'd love to hear your thoughts on sustainability! 14:15:14 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Phil, great to have you here! 14:16:41 From Tom Harper To All Panelists : Hi Guys, after the video (another 7 min) I'll ask you all individually to introduce yourselves 14:17:54 From Chris Hay : Chris Hay, freelance production manager, London. Hello everyone! 14:18:07 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Chris, great to have you here! 14:18:08 From Alison Criddle To All Panelists : Hi, Alison from HOME in Manchester. Thanks for organising today's seminar and the series. 14:19:07 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Alison, no problem at all. We hope everybody get's something from today's session! 14:19:12 From Eylsia Moore : *gets 14:19:34 From Rebecca Carpenter To All Panelists : Rebecca here! Costume human. Its great to be part of this conversation and see familiar names in the chat! Hope everybody’s keeping well. 14:19:44 From Richard Delight : Great to hear Jeremy talking about sustainability in terms of people and lifestyle and not just resources. 14:19:47 From Rebecca Carpenter : Rebecca here! Costume human. Its great to be part of this conversation and see familiar names in the chat! Hope everybody’s keeping well. 14:19:54 From John W : John Winters, Draughtsperson at the NT. Anyone else from NT here? 14:20:08 From Jason Culverwell To All Panelists : Hi all, Jason here Technical Director for National Theatre Productions 14:20:24 From Mig Burgess To Richard Delight and All Panelists : I totally agree Richard - really nice to see the two linked 14:20:30 From Eylsia Moore : Great to have you all here. 14:20:36 From Ashley To All Panelists : Ashley Costume - NT - Hi John! 14:21:00 From Kelly RO To All Panelists : Hi all Kelly from MIF here. Good to be here with you all :) 14:21:01 From Eylsia Moore : If anyone has any thoughts on Jeremy's interesting ideas on sustainability please do let us know! 14:21:48 From Florence Meredith To All Panelists : Hello, Flo here, Costume designer and maker in East London 14:22:03 From David Miller To All Panelists : Hi All, David Miller from Bath Spa University. 14:22:18 From Sam Garner-Gibbons To All Panelists : I liked the term "abnormal normal" and how we need to try not to return there! 14:22:23 From Sebastian Barnes : Jeremy is sounding idealistic for today’s climate. 14:22:30 From Eylsia Moore : You can hear more about Dawkin's thoughts on the selfish gene here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9p2F2oa0_k 14:22:45 From David Miller To All Panelists : I missed intro, could you tell me who this keynote speaker please? 14:22:58 From David Evans To All Panelists : But is this not a chance to rethink so many of our assumptions? 14:23:23 From Eylsia Moore : Hi David, currently we are listening to Jeremy Lent. 14:23:25 From Eylsia Moore : You can find out more about Jeremy Lent here: https://www.jeremylent.com/the-patterning-instinct.html 14:23:51 From Eylsia Moore : Tom Harper is heading our session today and he will be speaking after Jeremy and introducing our panelists for today. 14:25:10 From Eylsia Moore : You can find out more about Liology here: https://www.jeremylent.com/liology.html 14:25:44 From Eylsia Moore : http://www.liology.org/ 14:26:26 From Eylsia Moore : Thank you to all the panelists for joining us today! Welcome! 14:26:46 From Eylsia Moore : Looking forward to hearing you thought on the fascinating topic. 14:27:41 From Eylsia Moore : Circular economy is a manifestation of economic models that highlight business opportunities where cycles rather than linear processes, dominate. It is restorative and regenerative by design and aims to keep products, components, and materials at their highest utility and value at all times. 14:28:15 From Eylsia Moore : Sustainability means that a process or state can be maintained at a certain level for as long as is wanted. ... The Commission defined sustainable development as development that "meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." 14:28:41 From Carolina S : Hi All, very Intersting , thanks for putting this together. I'm part of a new group of Film&TV crew members trying to change the environmental impact from the bottom up. I'm aware it's a slightly different industry but if you think 14:30:01 From Carolina S : it could be of interst please check us out https://www.cutit.org.uk/ CUT IT - Crew led action for the climate crisis. 14:30:17 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Carolina, thank you for sharing! 14:30:36 From Eylsia Moore : If anyone has any relevant information or resources please do feel free to share :) 14:31:25 From John W : Any designers listening in feel like they want to be more influenced by contractors? 14:31:26 From jess curtis : Perhaps part of our Collaboration with our workshops and makers is an exchange of knowledge - lots of designers are hungry for sustainability but don’t know how to achieve it 14:31:49 From Carolina S : Thanks Eylsia, btw I'm a Lighting Gaffer and Designer 14:32:15 From anne minors : Hello from Anne Minors, theatre designer, Sound Space Vision 14:32:42 From Rebecca Carpenter : This is aimed at film, but interesting and applicable to theatre https://wearealbert.org/online-training/ 14:33:07 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Jess, that's a great thought. If you would like to pose this as a question to our panelists to get their thoughts please pop it in th Q&A function 14:33:37 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Carolina, thanks for sharing - it's great to know everyone's backgrounds! 14:34:14 From Sebastian Barnes : I’m very pleased to know the Palace Theatre, Redditch, who won the GDS Award for Venue Sustainability in 2014, continuing this progress since, https://redditchstandard.co.uk/lifestyle/palace-theatre-goes-from-strength-to-strength-as-new-era-dawns-in-leisure/ 14:34:31 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Rebecca, thank you for sharing this. Some really interesting opportunityies for online training 14:34:58 From Eylsia Moore : That is great to know Sebastian! We will make sure to look in to this in more detail! 14:35:55 From Kelly RO To All Panelists : Agree with the comment on knowledge sharing. If we want to move the industry into sustainability, isn't it more about working together with all our expertise to encourage everyone to more sustainable ways, not just accepting that a designer wants to do something their way and that is that? As someone mentioned earlier in the chat, designers don't always know how to achieve their design in a sustainable way 14:36:05 From Rebecca Carpenter : For anybody working in costume, this is a good resource - https://wearealbert.org/production-handbook/in-your-role/costume/ 14:36:25 From Eylsia Moore : If anyone has any questions for Mark regarding his experience in this area please do pop your question in to the Q&A 14:36:50 From Eylsia Moore : We are starting to get some interesting questions coming in and i'd love to encourage you to continue adding to this 14:37:10 From Eylsia Moore : We will be reviewing questions towards the end of the seminar in the Q&A section 14:37:50 From Eylsia Moore : For anyone unable to see the current questions please see there below 14:37:53 From Eylsia Moore : Sustainability means that a process or state can be maintained at a certain level for as long as is wanted. ... The Commission defined sustainable development as development that "meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs." 14:38:08 From Sebastian Barnes : Another source on the Palace Theatre, Redditch, spearheaded by Theatre Manager, Tim Mackrill. http://www.redditchpalacetheatre.co.uk/about-us/being-green/ 14:38:08 From Eylsia Moore : chris higgs 02:25 PM Whilst supporting the concept of sufficient income to exist from government and it allowing us to do what we want to do rather than what we need to do in order to exist, using Jeremy's analogy when I want my McDonalds (as if!), who serves it to me? 14:38:23 From Eylsia Moore : Peter Webb 02:27 PM From Peter Webb - Writer. Your starters for 10: 1) Touring rock shows, theatre productions and festivals, Creative Future or Carbon Footprint? 2) With drama schools turning out graduates year-on-year, who gets the jobs in what Covid-19 will leave as it's legacy; a shrinking market? 3) A Living Wage..? In the entertainment industry? How do we sell this to 'the stars'? 14:38:35 From Eylsia Moore : Peter Webb 02:27 PM From Peter Webb - Writer. Your starters for 10: 1) Touring rock shows, theatre productions and festivals, Creative Future or Carbon Footprint? 2) With drama schools turning out graduates year-on-year, who gets the jobs in what Covid-19 will leave as it's legacy; a shrinking market? 3) A Living Wage..? In the entertainment industry? How do we sell this to 'the stars'? 14:38:48 From Eylsia Moore : (sorry to repeat) 14:38:51 From Eylsia Moore : jess curtis 02:53 PM Hallo Mark as a designer, perhaps part of our Collaboration with our collegues can be an exchange of knowledge around materials and practice that is sustainable - alot of designers strive to be more sustainable but dont always know how to achieve it - especially in construction and material choices 14:39:31 From Eylsia Moore : Do keep these questions coming in guys. They are fascinating and will help us to engage in the topic in more detail 14:40:36 From Eylsia Moore : Great resource from Sebastian here: http://www.redditchpalacetheatre.co.uk/about-us/being-green/ 14:42:10 From Clíona Ni Mhochain : One producer I often work for have put a sustainability/recycling target into the designers contracts which has been met with enthusiasm. This helps open that initial conversation between designers and PM’s and then scenery companies and equipment suppliers. 14:43:35 From Susanna Narvaez To All Panelists : Will the recorded webinar and q&a be shared afterwards? 14:43:49 From Mark Wilsher : Hi Cliona, that sounds like a very good positive step. 14:44:29 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Susanna, 14:45:08 From Eylsia Moore : We are indeed recording the seminar and we are hoping to share ASAP 14:45:18 From chris durant To All Panelists : Chris Durant, Production Manager at Northern Stage here. Hello all !! 14:45:23 From Susanna Narvaez To All Panelists : Super thank you! 14:45:29 From Sebastian Barnes : I don’t think I can see all the Chat. 14:45:33 From Sam Garner-Gibbons : Hi Cliona- that sounds really interesting- can you say which producer? 14:45:36 From jess curtis : Cliona, - that sounds brilliant! I am working on a (Now postponed) project where the producer commissioned an adaptation with a sustainable message - this helped me to start the sustainable conversation around the whole production with every department - it is never too early to start the conversation! 14:45:44 From Eylsia Moore : We will be reviewing the questions also and hoping to share with the attendees 14:46:18 From chris durant : Chris Durant, Production Manager at Northern Stage here. Hello all !! 14:46:21 From Eylsia Moore : Hi everyone, please do make sure you select "all panelists and attendees" when speaking to us cht 14:46:25 From Clíona Ni Mhochain : I’m sure they won’t mind - it’s the wonderful National Theatre of Scotland 14:46:28 From Eylsia Moore : chat* 14:46:33 From louiewhitemore To All Panelists : Gothenburg Opera state in a designers contract that a percentage of materials used in a production must be from an eco friendly source or be re-usable. This is a GREAT step but designers cannot take that on alone, builders and PM’s can help by looking at a design in its early stages and feedback about he could be more eco friendly. Designers can then adapt. But this takes more time - which scheduling does not often allow. 14:46:47 From Eylsia Moore : This way everyone will be able to see your amazing thoughts and resources 14:46:47 From jess curtis : A lot of fashion suppliers and colleges are researching new sustainable materials - UAL/Central st Martins 14:46:51 From Sam Garner-Gibbons : Brillinat thanks Cliona- will drop them a line 14:46:56 From Kelly RO : Thanks for this Andrea. Yes we need to include sustainability at the budgeting level of productions. Current sustainable processes take longer to implement and/or can cost considerably more 14:47:05 From Tom Harper : in terms of materials - r.e. set construction, have a look at Krown https://ecovativedesign.com/mycocomposite 14:47:17 From Eylsia Moore : Louie shared this: Gothenburg Opera state in a designers contract that a percentage of materials used in a production must be from an eco friendly source or be re-usable. This is a GREAT step but designers cannot take that on alone, builders and PM’s can help by looking at a design in its early stages and feedback about he could be more eco friendly. Designers can then adapt. But this takes more time - which scheduling does not often allow. 14:47:26 From chris durant : Cliona, great to hear about that producer. Think they have a major role in supporting the overall philosophy of sustainability, and making sure budgets support it as well. 14:48:21 From Eylsia Moore : For anyone who has not yet seen on the ABTT website: https://www.abtt.org.uk/uk-lppd-petition/ 14:48:30 From Eylsia Moore : This is a post about UK Live Performance Production Declares Climate & Biodiversity Emergency Petition 14:48:43 From Jim Davis To All Panelists : As a Production Manager for 22 years, I'm only just beginning to see a change in the attitude of designers. A great many are still in a mind set that completely side steps the issues we're discussing today and insists on bespoke set, costume and props and won't countenance the idea that scenery from previous productions might be incorporated into their design. 14:49:25 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Jim, please change your chat settings to 'All panelists and attendees' and reshare your thoughts :) 14:49:27 From David Evans : https://www.ecostagepledge.com/ 14:50:02 From Jim Davis To All Panelists : Apologies and thank you Andrea 14:50:18 From Eylsia Moore : The ecostage pledge is a public commitment and positive declaration to work ecologically in the performing arts sector. It includes a set of intersecting values, objectives and provocations for engaging with ecological practice 14:50:23 From james lynham : Hi James from Royal exchange manchester 14:50:28 From Eylsia Moore : https://www.ecostagepledge.com/ 14:52:14 From Eylsia Moore : Hi James, great to have you here! 14:52:32 From jess curtis : Brilliant and inspiring address Andrea, Thank you! 14:53:32 From Eylsia Moore : If anyone has any questions for Andrea please do pop it in to the Q&A function 14:54:00 From Eylsia Moore : For anyone who missed it, please see the https://www.liveperformanceproductiondeclares.org.uk/ 14:54:07 From Eylsia Moore : This is a global petition uniting all strands of the Live Performance Production industry. It is both a public declaration of our planet’s environmental crises and a commitment to take positive action in response to climate breakdown and biodiversity collapse. 14:54:08 From jess curtis : Interestingly our sense of time might slow down as we go back into theatre production with slower practice to accommodate cover practice.. 14:55:23 From Sebastian Barnes : Jess, I totally agree, drive for better economy driving us towards better practices. 14:55:27 From alcarter : Hi, Al here from Cornwall. Student in Technical Theatre Arts. Specialising in Stage Design/Build underscored by Sustainability. 14:55:48 From Sam Garner-Gibbons : Hi Jess, yes it would be great if that were the case, but when we can gte back into work I can imagine producers wanting to get work on stage asap and increase output to make money... 14:57:17 From David Evans To Emma Wilson(privately) : So well articulated - brilliant 14:57:26 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Al, great to have you with us! 14:58:40 From Mig Burgess To All Panelists : Hi Guys take a look at the Q and A and see if you can type the answers to some. You have 30 mins left and 10 open questions 14:59:39 From Eylsia Moore : Some amazing questions coming in - thank you everybody 15:00:02 From Eylsia Moore : The panelists will be reviewing these towards the end of the session 15:00:24 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : 30 mins left guys :) 15:00:25 From Jim Davis : As a Production Manager for 22 years, I'm only just beginning to see a change in the attitude of designers. A great many are still in a mind set that completely side steps the issues we're discussing today and insists on bespoke set, costume and props and won't countenance the idea that scenery from previous productions might be incorporated into their design. 15:01:13 From Sebastian Barnes : Good one, Chris H. 15:02:34 From Sam Garner-Gibbons : Jim I hear you. I think that the concept of a carbon/eco budget for each show, that forces a design process to consider what it uses would be a great way of driving change? what do you think? 15:02:38 From Peter Webb To All Panelists : From Peter Webb. Spot on, Jim.... 15:02:59 From John W : Hi Jim! on the one hand that’s a shame that that has been a stumbling block for so many years, but hopefully there is a shift change and there will be real change now? Or do you think it is still just a few and will be incremental change? (Also HI!) 15:04:00 From chris higgs : And yet during 2012 we still had design specs using polycarb…. 15:04:57 From Jonathan Pearce : Working in tech I am used to modular components that come together in one order for one show, then get reused in a different order for another show. Our main sustainability issues are power consumption and transport. 15:05:08 From Jonathan Pearce : What can tech learn from design and vice versa? 15:05:10 From Kit Lane : Was it easier when we had resident designers and in-house workshops? Everyone knew what was in the store and would design around that to maximise the bang-for-bucks. 15:05:19 From chris durant : Sam, agree (and Hi !!) If we make it a condition of the design brief (for all creatives) that the show has to meet certain eco targets, then that will start to change the industry. 15:06:25 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Jonathan, thank you for your question. if you would like an answer from our panelists please do pop it in to the Q&A functions 15:06:47 From Peter Webb To All Panelists : From Peter Webb - Like politicians never wanting to say sorry because it makes them look weak, so 'Top Line' acts don't want to be known as 2nd hand. What will have an effect on this, particularly in the music side, is young bands entering the business with a 'care for the planet' mindset already hard-wired. 15:06:57 From louiewhitemore : It should be in the design brief. Much like white card and final model deadlines though - it needs to be backed up by producers if designers do not adhere to the brief. 15:06:59 From Richard Owen : Jim & Sam, I agree there is a current desire to have bespoke scenery and props and costumes, more dialogue and time is needed but also sustainability targets in design briefs and contracts, but that requires a buy in by the whole creative team and the venue management and production company. 15:07:04 From Carolina S : great points!!! thank you 15:07:12 From Courtland Evje : Kit, one of the methods my organisation (with in-house workshop and storage) has used to improve reuse has been to contract scenic designers for a series of productions with the understanding that they would design a core set which could be modified for the subsequent productions. Even at the end of that process, the materials will be reusable for future purposes. 15:07:20 From Hilary Williamson : I agree Kit, it was much more realistic for people to keep resources they knew exisited in mind when designing, rather than having to painfully dissect a white card when a design team has already created a concept. I find it’s often met with resistance, and bespoke is desired. 15:08:09 From jess curtis : Indeed Jim, I think there is a greater awareness building across the industry, and it is become a central part of a lot of Design teaching I think - certainly where I lecture part- time the costume makers/Hair and Make- up artists are engaged in this conversation - also in drama schools- such as Guildhall, have a “Green Queen” for every production. There are also conversations around sustainable practice on the new initiative #scene-change that brings all theatre makers - including lots of designers from a wide range of backgrounds - together to form the next stage 15:08:52 From Jim Davis : Some great ideas here today. Having a clause in designers' contracts that asks them to work to a 'carbon budget' and adhere to a producer's sustainability policy is a great idea 15:08:56 From Eylsia Moore : Fantastic discussion over here in the chat, it's great to hear from all our attendees on this topic too! 15:09:07 From Kelly RO : Agreed with Jim on designer mind set change and also to Jonathan working in tech. Would also add that many productions want to use the latest technology. A great many analog mixing desks, old fixtures and equipment are sitting in cupboards. We need to stop creating so much electronic waste too 15:09:26 From jess curtis : All positive potential to change that mind set - to see this as a creative challenge not a limitation that underpins any creative outcome, and doesn’t limit unique and innovative design 15:09:44 From Jonathan Pearce : @Kelly - equally a lot of old kit is in cupboards because of the push to use newer ‘greener’ kit. 15:10:45 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : 20 mins left 15:11:01 From chris higgs : It's producers and promoters that take the convincing? 15:11:22 From Kelly RO : @Jonathan agree with you there. Its about getting a balance. A lot of older kit used to go to schools and community centres, not sure this still happens much, both for the reasons that the equipment is old and also the push for greener equipment as standard 15:11:44 From Kit Lane : Jon. This was touched upon in yesterday's lighting seminar. What is the impact of the total lifecycle of an LED fixture - not just the power to run it? 15:12:09 From Jonathan Pearce : @Kit - agree re old style rep houses being inherently better at reuse and designing for multiple uses. And that we need to look at whole lifecycle impact, not impact in use. 15:12:39 From Catherine Mills : Amazing thoughts Mark! If only we could live a world like that 15:13:10 From Dave Woodward : in a pervious venue a part update to LED kit meant old kit to move on, we couldn't even give some of it away as no one wanted it. 15:14:44 From Kit Lane : @Dave Woodward but at least it was probably fairly easy to recycle. Lots of metal and no electronics. 15:15:21 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : 15 mins left and 16 q's in Q&A 15:15:33 From Philip Speck To All Panelists : @kit - think there is still so much to be known on lifecycle - is an LED fixture going to fail, beyond repair, in the same period that a generic lantern can last 50+ years - what happens to old generics etc... 15:15:45 From Philip Speck : @kit - think there is still so much to be known on lifecycle - is an LED fixture going to fail, beyond repair, in the same period that a generic lantern can last 50+ years - what happens to old generics etc... 15:16:25 From Dave Woodward : @kit lane, indeed certainly wont be the case when that LED equipment comes to its life end and electronic waste will be created sadly 15:16:54 From Peter Webb To All Panelists : From Peter Webb - https://www.ted.com/talks/rutger_bregman_poverty_isn_t_a_lack_of_character_it_s_a_lack_of_cash?fbclid=IwAR2BE9x8wIMHIo20WxGHF2NeubT2QI7lta6FjuHQfY0ITgn0XkWEN13Wswo 15:17:03 From David Miller : Well said, Emma….. Thank you 15:17:05 From Kit Lane : Old PATT23s get polished, chromed and sold as decorative items for £500 ;-) 15:17:13 From Grahame Coyle To All Panelists : There's a company called Re-Set Scenery (https://www.facebook.com/ResetScenery) running in Scotland that's trying to address some of the issues around reuse of scenery. It's often easier for larger organisations with in-house facilities and staff to recycle and repurpose things from production to production, but it's often harder for smaller companies to find a way to store or dispose of scenery, costumes, etc. for one-off projects. 15:17:42 From Eylsia Moore : You can find out more about th Ex-tax here: https://ex-tax.com/ 15:18:42 From Jonathan Pearce : Worth appreciating that much of those 40/50yr old fixtures were mature tech. The products from 20yrs earlier were not and have rightly disappeared. We’re now in a revolution so products will have shorter lives til we reach a mature product that evolves. 15:18:44 From Kit Lane : Julies Bicycle? 15:18:45 From Eylsia Moore : http://www.sipa.org.uk/ 15:19:07 From Eylsia Moore : https://juliesbicycle.com/ 15:19:14 From Philip Speck : @kit... cant see that happening with a broken LED unit - there's a real need to know (county wide etc...) what happens with them when they break 15:19:50 From Eylsia Moore : https://www.ecostagepledge.com/ 15:19:57 From Louise Birchall : The new standards for Creative Venue Technicians have a research section on Environmentally and sustainability 15:20:23 From Grahame Coyle : There's a company called Re-Set Scenery (https://www.facebook.com/ResetScenery) running in Scotland that's trying to address some of the issues around reuse of scenery. It's often easier for larger organisations with in-house facilities and staff to recycle and repurpose things from production to production, but it's often harder for smaller companies to find a way to store or dispose of scenery, costumes, etc. for one-off projects. 15:20:39 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Grahame, thank you for posting this! 15:20:47 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : 10 minutes left 15:20:51 From Mig Burgess : http://www.sipa.org.uk/sign.html 15:20:59 From Mig Burgess : You can sign up with SIPA here 15:21:32 From Louise Birchall : https://www.set-exchange.com is another company 15:21:35 From Jonathan Pearce : @Grahame - looking at cycles should be considering shifting the industry to companies (perhaps in the old rep style) rather than one-off projects? 15:21:42 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : If anyone would like to be put in contact with any of our panelists today about this topic please do email the ABTT on office@abtt.org.uk 15:21:46 From Jim Davis : I think encouraging better programme planning and thereby ensuring designers can meet deadlines that allow PMs and builders to research sustainable materials and consider more eco friendly construction methods, will also help. Tight deadlines tend to push you to choose the line of least resistance, which is often the most readily available materials and doesn't allow time to consider alternatives 15:22:05 From Paddy Padman To All Panelists : This maybe a little off topic but just thinking about cultural shifts. I have been to a few of the ABTT seminars over the last couple of days and I don’t think I have seen any Black panelists. Also there hasn’t a signer for the def that could have been introduced on the panel. 15:22:50 From jess curtis : Yes absolutley Jim! 15:23:29 From Kit Lane : @Jim Davis. Totally agree. Directors also can be very naughty at delaying decisions until too late. 15:23:40 From Eli Banfield : I finished my Stage Management course at Guildhall literally yesterday! And it is dawning on my that there is just no industry there for me. But also, when everything opens up again I don't feel that at my age and level of experience I can change the 'old ways' in the industry; I don't feel I have the influence to change the way our industry works. But it MUST change and become more sustainable. 15:24:05 From Hilary Williamson : Jim that’s the one! 15:24:10 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : Hi Paddy, thank you for your insight. If anyone would like to get involved in future ABTT Seminars - we welcome anyone to contact us as we would love to ensure we show a diverse range of view points. 15:24:16 From John W : yes Eli! 15:24:24 From Eylsia Moore : Hi Paddy, thank you for your insight. If anyone would like to get involved in future ABTT Seminars - we welcome anyone to contact us as we would love to ensure we show a diverse range of view points. 15:24:46 From Jess Nicholls : Eli, that is how I feel, I can change my way of living but I don't feel I can change things on a large scale 15:25:00 From Eylsia Moore : https://www.provenance.org/ 15:25:05 From Mig Burgess To All Panelists : Can I ask that some of you to type some answers to your 13 open questions if you can 15:25:29 From Eylsia Moore : Provenance enable great brands to communicate the origin and impact of their products. Increase engagement by connecting to shoppers’ changing values and help build a better world. https://www.provenance.org/ 15:25:34 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : 5 minuts guys 15:25:50 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : please type answers to questions as we need to start wrapping up thank you 15:26:06 From jess curtis : Hi Eli, Hi Jess, 15:26:12 From Kelly RO : @Eli the industry will have to reinvent to bounce back, no doubt about that. We need fresh eyes and thoughts on how to be more sustainable, so definitely need new people in the industry 15:26:16 From Tom Harper : https://www.provenance.org/ 15:26:34 From Richard Delight : @Jim I think that to create the time needed we also need to look at more mindful and sustainable programming for the people involved 15:26:37 From Eli Banfield : Yes Jess. The people that are going to give us work are the ones currently set in their ways. But with a large movement of people (and this webinar is very encouraging) I feel that maybe we could shift the industry to a more sustainable way of working. 15:26:42 From Mig Burgess : Can we make acceptable to source props and furniture from charity shops, hire houses, gumtree, secondhand stores etc rather than places like Amazon and other non-eco driven large companies? Can the unused props post show go to homeless shelters, go tor recycling banks etc rather than the skip? Food for thought... The amount of waste with "one time buys" I see as an ASM is shocking 15:27:01 From Mig Burgess : Great comment above from someone in the Q and A 15:27:04 From Jim Davis : @Richard - quite agree 15:27:51 From Richard Delight : 👍 15:28:03 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : Sorry guys, 2 minutes left. Please wrap up and hand over to Mig. 15:28:32 From Cath B To All Panelists : I teach my students that secondhand shops and charity shops are vital in the propping process BUT eBay has destroyed the network of ‘junk’ shops that used to exist - that we could actually borrow from 15:28:40 From Peter Webb To All Panelists : From Peter Webb - How long do we think it will take the festival scene to adopt and adapt? How far along the road are they? 15:28:40 From Eylsia Moore To All Panelists : While Mig wraps up - please do try and type answers to the remaining questions. 15:28:41 From Kelly RO : Yes agree Carol 15:28:52 From Jess Nicholls : Eli, I think the best thing we can do at the moment is to educate those going into the industry so when it is our generation making the desions we can make those changes we want to see. This seminar is great 15:28:53 From Grahame Coyle : @Jonathan - I think we'll still have a fair mix of building-based production and smaller companies operating with smaller margins and lower funding. I don't know that we'll see a marked reduction in the desire for newly emerging artists and practitioners, setting up their own production companies to deliver their new visions of theatre and performance, but it's clear that in any early life of a company there never seems to be quite enough money to allow things like sustainability and recycling to be considered as core elements of a production process. Maybe our new normal will help drive that change... 15:28:53 From chris durant : @Jim, @Richard agree 15:29:16 From jess curtis : Hi Eli, Hi Jess, For what it is worth, In all the various Zooms I have been in there has been a great awareness of the new graduate generation coming into the industry and a concern to protect their opportunities and even improve them. I think your voices are so important as you are the holders of the newest knowledge- I still find it hard, but as it gets more discussed it will get easier! 15:29:17 From Rhonda : Some colleagues of mine set this up in Scotland https://www.facebook.com/ResetScenery/ 15:29:19 From Keeva O'Shea To All Panelists : I missed the start of the discussion - does anyone know if the talk will be available for rewatching? :) 15:29:22 From Eylsia Moore : What an amazing subject today. Thank you for joining up today 15:29:33 From Jonathan Pearce : Great panel and great chat. Thanks all :) 15:29:35 From Marec Joyce To All Panelists : Very inspiring seminar, thanks very much to all! 15:29:37 From Tom Lilly : Thank you very much for this everyone! Very helpful and uplifting. Cheers 15:29:46 From Jack Dale-Dowd : Thanks everyone 15:29:50 From Gill McLeod : thankyou, very interesting and informative 15:29:55 From Marec Joyce : Very inspiring seminar, thanks very much to all! 15:30:04 From chris higgs : 10 years of the Rigging Conference was the same outcome!! We're preaching to the converted. 15:30:04 From John Titcombe : Thanks everyone 15:30:05 From Fernando Daubler To All Panelists : Thank you very much! 15:30:07 From Eylsia Moore : If you are interested in being involved in the forefront of this subject please do get in contact with the ABTT as we want to help continue this topic at a later date 15:30:08 From Kit Lane : @Graham Coyle That is where the big building based organisations need to support the emerging artists more. 15:30:10 From Mandy Ivory-Castile : Thank you everyone 15:30:13 From jess curtis : Thank you so much everyone- a fabulous seminar! 15:30:18 From Eylsia Moore : Please email the office@abtt.org.uk 15:30:23 From abigail mcmillan To All Panelists : Directors, production managers need to be there too! Fantastic session today. thank you so much. 15:30:23 From Eylsia Moore : We would LOVE to hear from you 15:30:24 From Sam Garner-Gibbons : This was a great panel and discussion- thankyou everyone involved 15:30:28 From Christian Wallace To All Panelists : thanks everyone great discussion 15:30:30 From Eylsia Moore : Please contact us and get involved 15:30:32 From Richard Owen : Very interesting seminar, thanks to the panel. 15:30:34 From David Miller : Thank you for an excellent seminar…. 15:30:34 From Grahame Coyle To All Panelists : Thank you to all of the panellists, that was wonderful. 15:30:41 From Cath B To All Panelists : Great session thank you 15:30:42 From Cat : appreciated the sharing today…thanks everyone 15:30:43 From chris durant : Great stuff - thanks ! 15:30:44 From Rebecca Carpenter : Thanks everyone, great food for thought! x 15:30:45 From Sebastian Barnes : Thank you all for a very stimulating webinar. 15:30:45 From Alex Wardle To All Panelists : Really great discussion - thanks all! 15:30:49 From Suzy Somerville : Thank you - really interesting! 15:30:50 From Jim Davis : Thanks everyone - really interesting! 15:30:50 From Kit Lane : Need more discussions on this. Thanks All. 15:30:52 From Barny To All Panelists : That was very interesting. Thank you so much. 15:30:53 From Richard Delight : Thanks everyone 15:30:55 From Judith Cloke : Great discussion - thank you 15:30:56 From Emma : Thanks everyone! 15:30:58 From Alex : thanks so much 15:30:58 From Kelly RO : Thanks everyone and great to be involved in such an important conversation 15:30:58 From Jonathan Pearce : We need hubs - populated with staff and resources. These hubs should be open for emerging and established artists. You could call them playhouses… 15:30:59 From emma cameron : Thank you - this was brilliant, I am sorry I missed the beginning. 15:31:03 From David Evans : Thank you panel 15:31:03 From Ashley To All Panelists : Really useful and inspiring seminar. Thank you! 15:31:03 From George Ploog To All Panelists : THANK YOU 15:31:06 From Kate Margretts : Thank you very much for a really inspiring and fascinating seminar 15:31:09 From Eylsia Moore : Thank you panel! 15:31:09 From Richmond Rudd To All Panelists : thank you all 15:31:11 From Kit Lane : JOn Pearce. YES! 15:31:21 From Alex Wardle To All Panelists : Hubs - yes! 15:31:26 From Michael Ste.Croix To All Panelists : Great seminar-fantastic presentation, take care panel 15:31:29 From Grahame Coyle : @Kit - Absolutely! 15:31:35 From Ros Maddison : Thanks everyone- really useful. 15:31:37 From louiewhitemore : Thank you everyone. 15:31:42 From Melissa McCann : Great discussion. Thank you. 15:31:43 From Eylsia Moore : If you are interested in inding out more about the ABTT please do take a look on our website. We are a membership organization we would love to have you/: https://www.abtt.org.uk/join-abtt 15:31:47 From Peter Webb To All Panelists : From Peter Webb - Thank you for a thought provoking session. 15:31:48 From Chris Clay : Thanks to the panel, very interesting session 15:31:56 From Richard Ducker : Thanks to the panel! 15:31:57 From Kit Lane : Derby are actually doing pretty well at this. 15:32:08 From Carol Scott To Eli Banfield and All Panelists : we at Tait are moving into sustainability because we value the new talent coming into our industry and trust me you have a voice 15:32:14 From Chris Davies To All Panelists : thanks panel great discussion 15:32:17 From Tom Harper : Thanks 15:32:18 From Martin Jangaard : Thank you all. Very interesting thoughts. This conversation is required in all industries now, not just ours. 15:32:24 From Philip Speck : Thank you all 15:32:25 From Eylsia Moore : The ABTT is a charity as well as a membership organization. If you would like to support us in further seminars and events like this please see here: https://www.abtt.org.uk/get-involved/donate/ 15:32:27 From emma cameron : @Jess and @Eli - don’t lose hope there are lots of us that do want to work with your energy and vision in the future. 15:32:30 From jim leaver To All Panelists : that was a hugely valuable 90 minutes. thank you 15:32:37 From Eylsia Moore : Again, if you would like to get involved please docontact theABTT Office 15:32:37 From Eli Banfield : Thank you Emma